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December 15, 2006

The Thing About European Men

The thing about European men...................have you ever felt something so strongly that you just have to share it regardless of the response it may provoke. This is one of those things. Will it offend? Perhaps. As I was walking, eating and drinking today, these thoughts came to me in such urgency.

European men LOVE WOMEN -- as most recently expressed by French and Italian men in Paris. They love their essence, their walk, their talk, their energy, their feminine allure, all of it. More importantly, they LOVE them because they either understand them or MAKE an effort to try to. It's part of their culture.

A quick note before I get screamed at by all American and non-European heterosexual men, I'm talking about a cultural nuance that is so prevalent, that we feel it in our bones. It becomes them and vice versa if they're open to it.

American men LIKE women a lot, there is a ton of respect (often mutual) and they know how to fall IN LOVE. Our culture doesn't train them to LOVE women in the same way, in the same way American culture does not train us to LOVE food, wine, and the arts in the same way that European culture does.

A female friend of mine added this comment when I emailed her this very blog post before I went live with the post....(she is roughly my age, was married to an eastern European, lived in Europe for years and now lives in the East Bay). She says, "it's like their passions are more intense and present because they are inundated with less stimulus so they have more to give." I'll add, "you also feel as a woman that they want to give."

An American male friend of mine a few years older than me who has lived in Europe and speaks French adds this comment as he talks about how he feels when he treats a woman in a way that heightens her feminine core, "it's poetic and magic and dances, which we as a culture are almost completely uninterested in."

Hmmm, strong: I am not sure that I would have used the word uninterested, yet he is absolutely right. I don't use it here because I'm almost afraid to.

This realization and understanding is more real than any personal emotion I have ever felt between the sexes. It lingers over decades, it lingers over conversation, it lingers after a gentle kiss, a walk on the beach, a toast at a cafe, a picnic on a river....and it lingers over and over again.......

I still love the American male raw energy and masculinity. When they turn it on without approval from any other entity, business associate or buddy, it has so much power. Then, it becomes truly masculine. Then, it becomes sexy. Then, it becomes real. Ahhhh, yes, there is so much power in our own masculinity and feminity when we completely and authenticially embrace it rather than resist it.

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Mon amie,

It cuts both ways. Even European feminists tend to have an allure, calling out to be savored, that is tout court incongruent with the airs most American women merely ... sport.

In a word, European women tend to emanate (if sometimes only poorly) what American women tend to put on (often crudely).

In the indy lesbian tragedy High Art (starring Ally Sheedy), the ex-pat, aging German lover dismisses Sheedy's triangulating affair with baby-faced/well-fed/well-bred art-mag photographer: "Sheeza TEE-NAY-JUR!"

Q.E.D.

Most fascinating post. I will browse your blog in the near future. And ... may I have the next dance?

Posted by: Jeremayakovka | Dec 15, 2006 10:15:26 PM

I totally agree with you, and as I'm a french man I would even say that the main difference between a french and an american woman, is that the american woman, love to be loved, and the french woman just like the idea that she is loved!

great blog!

Thierry

Posted by: Thierry_BEZIER | Dec 16, 2006 2:16:33 AM

(In favor of American women) there's a line - somewhere in Norman Mailer's Armies of the Night - about the smell of gasoline and cheap perfume....

Posted by: Jeremayakovka | Dec 16, 2006 5:32:52 PM

I'm so glad that I found this blog.. even if it is 3 months old! I have been dating a man from Spain for about 7 months and I have always known there is something different about him from all my exes but I couldn't put my finger on it. One day he summed it all up for me: he said that American men just aren't PASSIONATE about women the way that European men are. It's just so true!

Posted by: Megan | Mar 16, 2007 11:08:44 PM

I have been dating a British guy for a few months....and it's amazing. He blows American guys away. He has fantastic taste and spoils me. Everything about him is amazing.....sex, style, romance etc. The thought of dating an American man every again makes my stomach turn over!

Posted by: jen | Jul 29, 2007 10:52:23 PM

I have been dating a British guy for a few months....and it's amazing. He blows American guys away. He has fantastic taste and spoils me. Everything about him is amazing.....sex, style, romance etc. The thought of dating an American man every again makes my stomach turn over!

Posted by: jen | Jul 29, 2007 10:52:45 PM

I have been dating a British guy for a few months....and it's amazing. He blows American guys away. He has fantastic taste and spoils me. Everything about him is amazing.....sex, style, romance etc. The thought of dating an American man every again makes my stomach turn over!

Posted by: jen | Jul 29, 2007 10:52:52 PM

I'm with Jen, my boyfriend is from Italy and he treats me like a goddess. It's just the way he makes me feel - like a real woman. Love the USA but the men are spoiled!

Posted by: Jaime | Aug 29, 2007 9:00:00 AM

I have to agree with your notion on European men. Culturally, Australian men are closer to their American counterparts (I'm from Australia). I have dated a few Aussie men (and being an Engineer, work with many) and they were pleasant. They are very considerate and respectful of women and they do show it. But they do not KNOW women. Hence, even with the best intentions, they fail to please their women! My partner is German and we clicked rightaway from day 1. We were great friends for more than a year before we started dating. And the connection was easy to make, cos he knows and appreciates women. Even with his limited English, he's able to communicate himself very well. I'm very impressed by him, even more now that we're living together. He has always treated me the way I should be treated (he's very wise - he's very reasonable and treats me right and knows how to handle my feminine emotions pretty well). I am emotionally & sexually very satisfied... something I've never been able to feel with my Aussie boyfriends. It's a whole new experience, he is just so different I can't compare him to them! I have quite a few guy friends from Germany (partly because I speak the language) and the friendships we've forged are very meaningful. My partner is the only one I've dated, but the other friendships I have with my German guy friends remain very precious to me. They just know how to connect with us women in a great way! And they are not gay. I added that comment cos it seems like only gay men in Australia know how to connect with us women! It's a culture thing... Europeans do have a stronger sense of culture.

Posted by: Lainey | Dec 13, 2007 2:13:14 AM

I agree. European men love women in a way that American men don't, maybe it's because in ancient times (in Greece etc) Goddesses such as Aphrodite were worshiped. That tradition of females as goddesses is still there on a subtle level, even if that tradition has been mostly lost. Also, the differences in the sexes in Europe seem to be celebrated. In America the women seem to be afraid of their femininity, beauty, softness and subtlety. And because of this the men seem to be lost as to how to proceed with us. As a very feminine American woman I feel very invalidated by the men here. They don't know what to do with me. I am very shy at first with men and American men seem to feel that indicates lack of interest (which it doesn't). But European men really appreciate me!
I LOVE THEM!

Posted by: alice | Sep 4, 2008 10:25:29 AM

I agree. European men love women in a way that American men don't, maybe it's because in ancient times (in Greece etc) Goddesses such as Aphrodite were worshiped. That tradition of females as goddesses is still there on a subtle level, even if that tradition has been mostly lost. Also, the differences in the sexes in Europe seem to be celebrated. In America the women seem to be afraid of their femininity, beauty, softness and subtlety. And because of this the men seem to be lost as to how to proceed with us. As a very feminine American woman I feel very invalidated by the men here. They don't know what to do with me. I am very shy at first with men and American men seem to feel that indicates lack of interest (which it doesn't). But European men really appreciate me!
I LOVE THEM!

Posted by: alice | Sep 4, 2008 10:26:49 AM

Passion has been stomped out of American males for decades. Want to know who's responsible, ladies? Look in a mirror.

Alice is right, we are lost as to how to proceed, because women in America don't know what they want. We are either being told we aren't macho enough, or we're being sued for harrassment. We are told that we should be "sensitive" and "responsible," then we're ignored in favor of the guys who treat women like crap, but look good.

We are told constantly that women should be considered equal in EVERY way, and most of us agree with that, and yet in a vast majority of child custody cases, women win majority custody, ripping children away from the father. Try worrying about that, for once.

I'd love to be more passionate toward my wife (I'm referring to romance, not just sex), but she isn't interested in that. When I try to be, it's ignored. And did I mention she's European?

American guys are just flat-out exhausted, at least once we've been beaten down. And once passion's been beaten down enough, it doesn't come back.

Posted by: steve | Oct 24, 2008 2:40:17 PM

I'm reading a book written by a Serbian and his descriptions of women really caught my attention because they're so dead on and there's an awareness of the feminine heart that I don't find in American writing.(Are French Canadian men the same as European men or are they different?)

I also found that Spanish men love women and will go out of their way to please, but their atlantic counterpoints, latin american men don't have it.My experience has been that LA men like their women to look good but they don't understand women or know how to give to them.

Posted by: Mary | Nov 2, 2008 1:29:56 AM

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Posted by: Mia | Feb 19, 2009 5:56:06 AM

I think it has something to do with European women vs. American women.. European women are in general very feminim and just... real women.. Men are men and women are women + we are free in our democratic living space.. This way real love and beauty can exist..

Never forget: heterosexual men love feminim women in all their beauty.. all over the world we should respect women for who they are, and men for who they are in all their natural beauty and qualities, because every sex has it..

Posted by: R. van Leeuwen | May 8, 2009 9:33:54 PM

Im from Europe and you boys and girls here are honestly full of crap lol.

Posted by: Ivan | Jun 3, 2009 4:08:01 PM

I think all Americam women should move to Europe and marry European men.

Posted by: H | Jun 7, 2009 4:52:43 AM

I have primarly dated European men and have found them to be much more passionate, loving, caring & so very sensual. They will go out of their way to please a woman. It's my opinion that they have that unexplainable 'touch'. Men either have the touch or they don't and it's very rare that an Amercian man can possess the touch. Any women out there who has been fortunate enough to experience what a European man can offer knows what I am referring to. Right ladies :)

Posted by: Mar-Wee | Oct 26, 2009 4:19:33 PM

I am curious about this subject and decided to google the question between American men and European men. I stumbled upon this.

I just sent my South African lover an email concerning the same. Not that it matters, he is white. Most of the time, when I mention where he is from, people automatically place him in the black male category. I just want the picture to be clear without assumptions to any race or creed. AND, maybe to better illustrate the parra between white.

I have lived in Portugal for the past 3 years. Since being there, I have had a few relationships with both American men and European males. I have to say, the European man is more trusting and free to fully express their feelings. They are awesome lovers as well. They are so into their feelings. At the same time, expressing their feelings so freely, does not deminish nor impact on their masculinity. It just provides a better opportunity for a woman to fully connect with them, freely love them and without wondering if they are truely loved. They provide a level comfort which affords a woman the freedom to love and trust freely. What more can a woman ask for? In my opinion...that is what we long for in a relationship.

I respect the American male and I do not take pleasure in going against my own kind. That is not my intetion by expressing myself here. Merely a matter of shared experience.

Posted by: Dawn | Oct 31, 2009 6:02:29 PM

I have been in love with (and committed to)a Greek man for almost two years. It hasn't been easy as an independent American woman. Raised by a single, low-income mother and putting myself through college. I'm a classic example of the climb to the top Independent American woman. He's a classic example of a middle-class/upper-class Greek... inheriting everything from his family and making a living with his family's olive trees. It's been interesting, to say the least!

I have to agree with the benefits of being with a European man in the sense of being very sensual and offering adoring love. This is true.

However, culture differences are tough. My Greek man expects certain gender expectations from me and doesn't handle disappointment well. His definition of love has certain behaviors and habits. For instance, aggressive arguing that would drive an American woman to run, are unfortunately, more common in Greek culture.

I've never felt so loved by any man, but there are female expections and a passionate volatility that keeps me questioning if this going to be a forever relationship. Cultural differences are not easy to overcome. I think this blog is nice, but it doesn't mention anything about the potential cultural conflicts that are part of everyday life with your European man. I believe it's hard enough to have a meaningful love with the opposite sex, but add cultural differences and you better be up for the challenge!

I would concur that a European man is very easy to fall in love with. Especially for an American woman!

Cultural differences are more noticable the longer you're together. At first, all cultural differences are easy to overlook. I would say that European men aim to please in a way American men do not... so when things get "comfortable", the cultural differences may be bigger than you originally thought.

My two cents.

Posted by: Curious | Nov 7, 2009 12:56:12 AM

What does it mean to "love" women? If any man came up to me and said that he "loves" women, I'd be incredibly creeped out and I'd honestly avoid him. If he said he "knew" women, I'd think very poorly of him.

In addition, putting all Europeans into the same class is just disrespectful. Because of culture and history, the expectations for what a man/woman should do in a relationship would be different from the UK to France to Germany to Russia.

I'm with Ivan.

Posted by: Holly Steel | Jan 3, 2010 4:14:00 PM

Interesting article, never knew all this things. Thanks for sharing

Posted by: sex stereotypes | Mar 16, 2010 6:13:58 AM

I'm from Spain and I've dated swedish guys and australian too.
With the aussie, I had incredible fun, but I always felt treated as a mate, like a friend. At the same time I had to be very feminin... It was weird...
I must say there are huge differences among european guys, spanish-catalan culture and swedish differ a lot. I never got used to the coldness and the absence of caressing, specially in public he was unable to hold my hand (though we lived together). Sex was good but not romantic. And when the foreigner-relationship gets less "adventure", less surprising or unexpected because of the exotism, cultural problems are important and something you have to deal with. Stereoyping is around you everyday. Also connected with the fact that you might no be using your language and therefore, you don't express with the richness of your own language and you don't have the same cultural backgrounds.

I don't know... I like the way my catalan boyfriend looks at me, it makes me feel desired and admired at the same time,I like the way he is aware of the clothes I use, he's always willing to run to the shop and get me chocolate or cigarrettes or whatsoever, he's always driving me so I can meet friends or family (far away) even if he cannot stay. For him, I'm always the smartest, the sweetest, the best...
Though all this passion works in every sense. I mean,he argues in a very passionate way... I mean everyhting is like and attack or a give up, with the swedish guy arguments were always very rational and non-emotional, and that really helped.
Sometimes I have the feeling catalan guys want to be the best guy you've ever had, and then who cares if it's forever or not. They want you to remember them as the best you ever had...
Actually I think this he is the best boy I've ever had... :)

Posted by: Chloe Mae | Apr 12, 2010 12:32:22 PM

Umm...Holly what exactly is wrong is "loving" women? Why would that be creepy? Being affectionate and having a passionate and genuine love and respect for women is a bad thing?

Posted by: Owen | May 20, 2010 1:58:07 PM

It's quite very true. I'm from the colonial background and I've been with European men all my life. Then recently, I've been unfortunate enough to date two Americans on a short-term basis. I must say... Mustard is not the only thing that's superior in Europe. American men are... More like boys... Not just boys but spoiled and irritating... A big girl's blouse as we say... Definitely not men.

Posted by: Carrie | Jul 29, 2010 8:58:57 AM

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